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Old 11-13-2017, 05:11 PM
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Pioneer Elite CT-07D

Hi all,

I acquired this Pioneer Elite CT-07D cassette deck a month ago. I purchased it after viewing a craigslist ad and I was the first respondent. The seller was a great guy to deal with. He made time in his work day to demo the deck for me, as I had travelled about 1.25 hours to reach his place. He also had a number of cassettes that came with the deck, and one tape he had recorded, specifically, using the same deck to demonstrate its recording capability. He knew a lot about the refinements of this model of deck. I had already read in the forum about the virtues of this deck praised by a particular long-time member, Lutz (lucky).



The seller was the second owner and I received an accounting of what he remembered of the history of the deck before he owned it. Funny thing is, I almost bought one when it was still being sold by Pioneer back in 2000. About 11 years ago, when I had purchased my Pioneer CT-F650 and Akai GX-F31 from a seller who had an Elite AV system, he had the Elite CT-07D cassette deck. I wasn't convinced back then when he told me how good the deck was and that was the biggest reason he was getting rid of his older cassette decks. I imagine I am about to find out what others have already known.



I will pop up more details, later.

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Old 11-13-2017, 08:53 PM
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Great score Nando!

It looks like a nice deck indeed, I hope it performs to your likings!

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Old 11-14-2017, 05:00 AM
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Great find Nando! Looking forward to hearing how it performs.

I too have been watching Lucky's comments, and hopefully will have the single well version sourced soon

Nice!

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Old 11-14-2017, 07:36 AM
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Thanks Steve, Shaun. It will most likely be the weekend before I give it a few passes in recording. I have a few recent mix tapes I received from Dan and Shaun that get first playback on the new deck. I played both tapes on my other decks, so I'm familiar with how both sounded. It will be a good test as both mix tapes were recorded without NR.





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Old 11-14-2017, 07:56 AM
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Congrats dude, a rare find these days...the prices in ebay rising as usual when we talk about it at TH.

Here is my hissfree digital bin copy station at work:



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Old 11-14-2017, 10:01 AM
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I owned one of these brand new in like '99-'00. The BLE works great but the thing I loved is how I could play tapes made from CD's (I always had cassette in my car back then), and burn them to CD, and the digital noise reduction worked so well, the CD burner would automatically increment the tracks.
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Old 11-14-2017, 10:11 AM
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Indeed the recording abilities can be compared with digital bins. The analog head amp starts just behind the complete digital recording/EQ/dehiss/Legato Link Conversion processing.

Just played the copy of my Supertramp-Famous Last Words (just made↑). And you could only know how well this decks recording, if you play it back in a Revox,ZX9,Dragon,CR7,XK009,6300,Pio1250,RX505,ASC 3001 and so on. Its not only the absence of the usual copy hiss, its the fantastic dynamic and power you can preserve. Not to talk about the frequency range, its flat from 20-20Khz and IEC conform, thats why it sound good in EVERY deck.
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Old 11-14-2017, 11:22 AM
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However, one can notice the noise gate on very low level sounds, eg with classic music. A tiny disadvantage compared to the huge advantages it has.
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I sold one last year. The owner remarked just today that the deck makes pre-recorded cassettes sound tremendous.
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Old 11-15-2017, 05:04 AM
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The Roll Off from the Legato Link Conversion is well seen in the plots of my 670D.

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Hi-bit Legato Link Conversion
The "Hi-bit Legato Link Conversion" technology applied in the PDR-D7 combines Pioneer developed bit expansion technology with Legato Link for still better musical reproduction. In process of recording and mastering a CD, lower-level signals --- signals lower than least significant bit of a CD's 16-bit system --- are removed. But, the absence of low-level signals causes quantization noise, resulting in a stepped waveform of converted analog signals --- proof that reproduced sound is quite unlike the original. "Hi-bit Legato Link Conversion" restores the lost signals by computing the original waveform from 16-bit data stored on the CD and performing re-quantization in expanded 20-bit data form. This conversion process results in a waveform that is both smoother and closer to the original than conventional technology allows. And Legato Link provides the additional benefit of extending the frequency response to 20kHz to ensure more accurate sound reproduction.
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:44 AM
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Out of this thréad I make some comparsions (playback only) between my digital Pios and the rest today...and in playback the 806DR(CT-07D) shows always this extraordinary audiophile touch. The one and only double well between Dragon, CR7,ZX9,Revox and so on...I dont know how, but Pioneer has done it, its real.

This "breathing" and "melting" of voices sound like adding an "Aural Exciter" which makes the stage wide and the sound so nice. Welcome to the show...

PS: and no, its not sounding like the original but who cares ?
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Old 11-15-2017, 07:04 PM
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Thanks for those members adding comments because of all the Pioneer Elite cassette decks, I didn't see myself getting one of these first.

Most times, dual-well decks get a bad rap. I have a couple of them, now, and I have my Sony TC-WR97ES patched into my AV rack for the living room home entertainment system.



I will post a few scans taken of the features and a brief explanation of how each of them work from the CT-07D OM.


Here are a couple of uncropped screenshots of the original advertisement on craigslist:





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Old 11-16-2017, 09:21 AM
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...not much to ad in the advertisement... Usually its nothing to calibrate because there are no aging trim pots inside. Only speed was always to low in my digital Pios. Not to forget that azimuth can be always a tiny bit improved, but this Pio turning heads are very reliable.

My 806 at work :



The sound is unbelievable good and better then the single well 3header CT-S670D. Just my personal oppinion.
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Old 11-16-2017, 07:40 PM
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Thanks for posting all the photos, Lutz. I have been a long time fan of Pioneer components, but it was your opinion(s) which led me to act fast in picking up the CT-07D.

I haven't seen too many CT-07D decks come up for sale, but now that I have one, I find myself scoping out current sales - not because I want another one, but just to gauge how the valuation will proceed. You just know where it's going to go, now.

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Old 11-19-2017, 08:35 AM
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Just for fun here are two 16/44Khz wave files :

https://c.web.de/@334958927236045735...TsG1PY6IQgmGmw

The babyface song is a digital tape copy (source=CR4 Dolby-C, BASF Chrome 120µ) made on the 806DR to maxell XLII, played on the CR7.

The other is an old Bill Haley and the Comets Dolby-B stereo prerecorded cassette released on Intercord 1980. Just played back with the 806DR. I start the recording on silence. So you can hear the activities of the digital NR.

Play it loud as always....

PS: just added a 670D digital recorded/playback file from Chesky records. Good to hear, like NAAC is digital FLEX correcting the highs on the beginning.
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Old 11-20-2017, 04:33 AM
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Just to round out this thread, here are many user comments from digital Pio's. Everybody can make his own decision.
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I gave those files a listen and yes, the noise level is impressive.

But... What happend with the eq for breath again?
It sounds like somebody rised up the 10k slider of an equailizer. What happened at 00:29.

The Bill Haley song is one big distortion and it is slightly pumping.

Caribbean sunrise is full of small level/channel fluctuations (biggest at min: 00:49, 01:03, 01:16) Drop outs or is it the digital Flex?
It sounds like a worn tape or bad record head with an endless chain of micro drop outs, raspy and unclean. Very bad recording.

To be honest, all three files are sounding horrible.
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Old 11-25-2017, 07:51 PM
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I gave those files a listen and yes, the noise level is impressive.

But... What happend with the eq for breath again?
It sounds like somebody rised up the 10k slider of an equailizer. What happened at 00:29.

The Bill Haley song is one big distortion and it is slightly pumping.

Caribbean sunrise is full of small level/channel fluctuations (biggest at min: 00:49, 01:03, 01:16) Drop outs or is it the digital Flex?
It sounds like a worn tape or bad record head with an endless chain of micro drop outs, raspy and unclean. Very bad recording.

To be honest, all three files are sounding horrible.
I have to agree with SR2245... they don't sound good at all.


Baby face sounds like the highs are exaggerated, but for some reason, mostly on the right channel, the left channel is slightly muffled.

Bill Haley sounds like the DNR is too aggressive. Listen to the percussion panned right, it's inconsistent, and pumping. The low frequencies sound unnatural. Otherwise this is the best recording out of the three.

Chesky Mambo has lots of dropouts, and sounds lifeless in general, and like Baby Face, the highs on the right channel are exaggerated, and dulled from the left channel. Sounds like a dirty head or misalignment.
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Old 11-28-2017, 07:19 AM
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The trouble is that Lutz did not care to put a sample of an unprocessed sound (eg from the CR-7), for comparison. As I have such a deck I noticed some shortcomings, but the quality improvement probably sets aside all minor complains.
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Old 11-28-2017, 11:22 AM
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Not right, I dont care for people who just not listen to the music. If you want perfection you are wrong at tapeheads. Perfection is (maybe) a pure DSD master file played back with good speaker. Just heard this:

https://www.highdeftapetransfers.com...h-inc-pure-dsd

It takes you the breath, its just like live performed in your living room, not more and not less. The only noise you hear is from the mixing console and the Revox 278...
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