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Old 09-09-2017, 11:42 PM
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It's just ePayer's bullshit, "digital" doesn't mean "better".
as a generic statement out of the context, yes, digital does not mean better.
digital only provides the conditions for a thing to be better. compare vhs with dvd and the conclusions are clear. then set your sat dish to one of the italian teleshops channels and draw other conclusions

here were mainly two resons why early cds had some quality issues.
1. the initial quality of the adc, which were st ok by today standards
2. the entire process before duplication (aad, add, rarely dad) - analogue lovers prefer to forget that the best vinyls before the cd were those so-called "digital" lps.
also, in some occasions, there were cases of cds made after tapes sent for vinyls

so, in my view chris g is right, ddd is better.
the only problem was that the new toy, the middle D has been abused by idiots in their quest for the maximum soud presure, and contributed to the quality decay of the cd.
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Old 09-10-2017, 01:12 AM
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Everything being equal, I would say that the 'DDD' CD's are going to sound better overall but doubt that it translates into them being more valuable or collectible. I think first pressings and imports that were produced in lower quantities count more for dollar value than how the source material was recorded.

I just picked up the first Flim and the BB's CD 'Tricycle' and I specifically picked out the first 1983 version as I think that there were at least 2 more pressings that followed. Looking at past auctions it seemed that the only other one that had sold was another 1983 copy. Darned if it didn't play perfectly straight through on my antique CD player. If I put in a CD that was released in the 90's let's say, it would be skipping all over the place. So that is why I seek out the early pressed CD's.

That said I still prefer analog over digital.
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Old 09-10-2017, 01:33 AM
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the original, 60 min cds had a larger track pitch, maybe this is why
they also had a higher linear speed, of 1.4 instead of 1.2 actual, but this should work with all players....
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Old 09-10-2017, 04:12 PM
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Old 09-10-2017, 06:48 PM
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as a generic statement out of the context, yes, digital does not mean better.
digital only provides the conditions for a thing to be better. compare vhs with dvd and the conclusions are clear. then set your sat dish to one of the italian teleshops channels and draw other conclusions

here were mainly two resons why early cds had some quality issues.
1. the initial quality of the adc, which were st ok by today standards
2. the entire process before duplication (aad, add, rarely dad) - analogue lovers prefer to forget that the best vinyls before the cd were those so-called "digital" lps.
also, in some occasions, there were cases of cds made after tapes sent for vinyls

so, in my view chris g is right, ddd is better.
the only problem was that the new toy, the middle D has been abused by idiots in their quest for the maximum soud presure, and contributed to the quality decay of the cd.
Yes, I agree. DDD properly mastered sounds excellent! I guess that's why all those gold CDs (MSFL, Ultradisc, DCC classics) all sell for high prices on eBay. But I don't think those CDs are DDD mastered. Probably AAD, or ADD.
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Old 09-12-2017, 04:41 AM
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Except that analog, vinyl especially never did totally die out, it soldiered on and is making a roaring comeback in recent years.
Well, it was near extinct. There were only a few "downtown" record store locations that either carried or imported it. Most stores didn't carry vinyl here in Canada between 1991 and 2008.
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Old 09-12-2017, 07:44 AM
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I think CDs will eventually become very collectible. They were pretty much the last physical format available and that actually paid some attention to sound quality. Since CDs, everything has gone into thin air and is just downloaded or streamed with more attention paid to convenience than sound quality. There are always at least some people who will search out the sound quality and I think the vinyl revival has shown how people like to own physical media. Right now, you can go to flea markets or garage sales and stock up on piles of CDs for very, very low prices. If you want to corner the market that emerges in another decade or so, start snapping them up, although you may have to hold onto them for quite some time.
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Old 09-12-2017, 08:05 AM
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Everything was convenience... whether the sound was kept, improved or degraded...
Here's Peter Goldmark holding the same amount of "duration" in his hands, as contained in the 78s next to him...

The CD holding almost twice as much as the bigger LP

and by comparizon an LP holding the same amount of music as the CD

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Old 10-11-2017, 03:47 AM
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CD is ugly format, vinyl looks great. Vinyl is also monolith, which means it becomes only dirty when stored for years, but it doesn`t degrade. CD degrades seriously because of aluminium inside which oxidize. Then it is useless. CD is history, noone needs this format in era of download and streaming. Also cassette tape has more bright future like this.
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Old 10-11-2017, 12:29 PM
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I prefer vinyl over CD's for a lot of reasons. Having said that, I have never had a CD fail because of aluminum rot or whatever. I started buying them early on too, like in '83, back when a vinyl cost $6 and a CD (there were not many at the time) cost $18. Adjusted for inflation, that is like $40 now. All those cd's I bought, even in the early days, even though a lot got thrashed, all still play fine.
Not only that, some of them, I have to admit, sound as good or better than their vinyl equivalents. I have yet to hear a vinyl of DSOTM (and I have different pressings of it, including MOFI) sound as good as my Harvest pressing.
My Audiomaster+ CD copies of Breakfast in America and Crime of the Century both sound better than my vinyls (and for CothC I have the canadian audiomaster and mofi vinyls to compare). I have not heard the mofi vinyl version of Brothers in Arms , but I have no desire as the first pressing of it on CD has dynamic range that is breath taking, demo quality. I bumped into one guy who just got an old tube amp and some JBL compression speakers and he was talking about how he would only play vinyl, none of this cd crap. I told him to get an old cd of Brothers in Arms, play "money for nothing" and prepare to be blown away with the dynamics.
CD's made in the first couple of years get my
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Old 10-11-2017, 12:43 PM
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I really hope so!! Last year i foolishly decided to sort out some of my CD's, these CD's are all the ones that i have been given over the previous 4 years, and some that i may have paid around .50p for at most!

I sorted them into A-Z order, and then numbered them all and stored them in big CD folders (each one hold 500 CD's).... took me three days...

I have dug into this resource several times over the last 18 months, and i have never ever had a duff one!

I prefer Vinyl (good vinyl) bit i am certainly not adverse to a well mixed CD.... In fact on a decent CD player they sound good.

It is virtually free music these days

Lesx55 made me some tapes recorded from SACD and other digital formats, onto some retro cassettes, and the sound is excellent!

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