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Old 12-23-2017, 10:04 PM
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Symphonic SR90VE DVD-Recorder FUN! (DVD-R speeds and so on)

A week or so ago I picked up this late 2004 Symphonic SR90VE DVD-Recorder/VCR Combo for $6.99. I've been on the lookout for DVD recorders at the thrifts for awhile now. Usually when I spot one, they want $30+ for it. I performed the usual tests that one could do at Goodwill...plugged it in to see if it displayed any error codes on the VFD and then popped a movie DVD in it to see if it will play (give indications of it playing on the display). It was missing its remote so I couldn't really test any of its features but playing a tape or a DVD.

When I got it home, I hooked it up and ran it through a series of tests with prerecorded movie DVDs and DVD-Rs that I recorded with my Panasonic. It played them back just fine. With a blank DVD-R inserted, it would display "-6:00:00" on the VFD (6hrs as it was set to EP mode). Very promising.

Since it's one of those newfangled devices, it NEEDS its remote to be able to do pretty much anything besides playback. With some searching I found a new one on Amazon for $8.99 (yeah the remote cost me more than the device itself...that's usually the way it goes).

With a new remote in hand, and the unit hooked up to a cable box, I popped a blank DVD-R in it, set the speed to SP and hit record. You could hear the drive initialize and the time start to count down... then comes the letdown, after hitting stop about 5 minutes in, a progress bar pops up displaying the percentage of data being written to the disc, after about getting to 90%, it got stuck and then an error message came up indicating that a disc error has occurred...DAMMIT. I repeated this a few times with the same results...DAMMIT. I also noticed I couldn't select the DVD setup menu (where you can edit recordings, finalize...) from the main device setup menu. Consulting the owners manual, the DVD setup menu will only be selectable if a blank DVD-R or RW is inserted...which one was. I wan't sure what was going on. After hitting up Google and coming up with forum posts from mostly no later than 2007, it turns out it only likes blank DVD-Rs with a rated write speed of 4x, not the 16x DVD-Rs that I was trying to use. I always believed that the rated speed was a maximum, and that the disc would be fine if burnt at slower speeds. Of course, the DVD recorder writes in real time. Some of the forum posts pointed out that Funai, had released a firmware update that would allow the unit to record on 8x DVD-R's (which are also not that easy to find anymore either). No luck with tracking that Firmware down. Knowing I would likely hit a brick wall, I emailed Funai tech support anyway asking if there is any way to obtain that firmware update...a few hours later I received a reply saying just as I had expected "I understand that you need assistance with a Symphonic unit. Please take note that this is one of our earlier models we only support these in terms of basic troubleshooting. A firmware update is no longer available for that model. However, you may get in touch with any of our specialists to help you locate any authorized Funai service center that can further assist you with this model..." so, that is out...

I shit around with it a little bit more, I already had two ruined DVD-Rs, I might as well continue to experiment on them. I put it in XP mode (best quality) and let it run for awhile, when I stopped it, I noticed the progress bar go to 100% without any errors. I jumped over to the DVD setup menu and sure enough, I was able to enter it and edit the recordings or finalize the disc. Only that last recording was there, all the other "failed" recordings were not on the menu. I select to play the recording and it played back just fine. No glitches, picture quality and sound was perfect. I went ahead and made a few more recordings in various different modes, all finished just fine and played back just fine. It was late at night so I shut it off and went to bed (quit while you're ahead). Well this afternoon I turned it on again, and after taking a good minute or two of it loading the disc, it gave me an error message with a code of "20". It wouldn't let me record on the disc anymore or let me into the DVD setup menu to even finalize it. Looking the code up in the service manual, it means "high speed disc"...nice telling me that before I effed the disc up. HOWEVER, the recordings I made on it, are able to be played back when I hit "Play". They will only play on this unit as the disc isn't finalized.

As I said the picture quality is just fine. So it appears IT IS capable of recording on a modern 16x DVD-R...just software holding it back.

So, to the back of my software and CD-R drawers I went in hopes of pulling an old 4x DVD-R from the time capsule that drawer is. Sure enough, I found a 5-pack of Apple 4x DVD-Rs that we probably got when we bought the eMac back in 2002-2003. I dropped one in the Symphonic and then made a short 2 minute test recording. Sure enough, I was now able to playback the recording and access the DVD setup menu.

I have some of these on their way now, hopefully they work well with it: https://www.amazon.com/100-Princo-DV.../dp/B002ROE9YK





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Old 12-23-2017, 11:21 PM
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I suggest you get some DVD-RW disks as it seems the ones I have seen are a lower speed. The Philips DVD-RW I have are 4x max and I got them in mid 2012. Model DW4S4B25F/17 & are RW DVD Rewrightable version 1.0 , 4.7GB 120 min. single sided, Made in Taiwan.

Plus IF the record fails the disk can be reused in something else like your computer after being erased/reformated.


The other thing I have found is some brands of disks don't work properly in some drives. Case in point IF I burn a music CD on a TDK disk that disk has problems playing back in most CD players. Now burn the same onto a Sony disk and I can put it in any CD player with no problems. I have also had a cd/dvd burner that didn't like a paticular brand of disk and wouldn't burn it though put that same disk in a different burner and all was ok.

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Old 12-24-2017, 12:54 AM
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I only have 4x DVD-RW's and it sounds like it will only work with 2x -RWs. I did try one, but it wouldn't recognize it, gave an error message. It does play finalized -RWs just fine. Won't play any of my DVD+Rs or +RWs

I'll have to track down some 2x -RWs.

Right now I’m using Verbatim 16x DVD-Rs in my Panasonic DMR-EZ485V and in my MacBook’s SuperDrive. I’ve also used Memorex and Sony DVD-Rs. I have some Maxell, Sony and Memorex DVD+Rs in the stash. My DVD-RWs are Memorex 4x discs. I’ve been using the same 25 discs I bought at least 6-7 years ago. I usually only use them for time shifting. When I want to keep something, I make a disk image out of it on my computer and then maybe burn it to a DVD-R. I haven’t had many issues with blank DVDs before, I can’t say the Panasonic has ever choked on any particular brand or type as of yet... although all I use is those brands mentioned. As a extra note, I also have a Verbatim cartridge type DVD-RAM disc that I use on occasion in the Panasonic. I’ve written and read to that disc many times without any errors as of yet.

I have had problems with CD-Rs, especially “back in the day”. Would end up with a coaster every once in awhile. I don’t recall all the brands of discs I was using back in the late 90s early 2000s. I’ll have to go to the back of that drawer again. But as of the last 10-15 years I haven’t had much trouble with CD-Rs.
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Old 12-24-2017, 03:10 AM
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That is a bummer. I don't know if it makes a diff, the DVD-RW I listed are rated 1x - 4x. Are yours also specked that way? Or do they just say 4x? Wonder if that might make a diff, though it's unlikely it will.

As for making coasters I have done a few but most if not all were my fault.

As for my CD-R problem, the TDK disks were not coasters as they burned ok on my pc drives and will play back on them with no problem. They just Won't play properly on most audio CD players, where the Sony's don't have that problem.
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Old 12-24-2017, 05:26 PM
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Yeah my Memorex DVD-RWs are rated 1x-4x. They're all used though. Ones that were "unfinalized/reformatted" in the Panasonic or on my MacBook only throw errors while formatted ones play fine. It won't let me into the DVD setup menu to reformat any of them.

Maybe I'll pick up some more -RWs the next time I see them. See what a new one does.

For now it seems to be working with that old Apple 4x DVD-R. I've got those "Princo" ones on their way. Never heard of "Princo" brand discs so hopefully they're not too cheap.
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Old 12-24-2017, 06:34 PM
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There is a free program I know is available for the pc that will tell you what make the disk actually is. Though it isn't 100% perfect as some disks are not able to be decoded so to speak. It is called DVD Identifier and I got it from Majorgeeks.com.

Hope this helps.
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Old 12-26-2017, 08:43 AM
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Here are plenty of 8x DVD-R's for sale if you can update the firmware:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...CE&PageSize=36
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Old 01-11-2018, 04:43 PM
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Those Princo 4x DVD-Rs came today! So far they are recording and playing back just fine. No errors as of yet.
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Old 01-14-2018, 09:55 AM
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I've been recording DVDs since 2004 and have gone thorough several DVD recorders by Samsung and Panasonic. Truth be told, they don't last that long and I'm quite amazed that a unit from 2004 is still functional for DVD recordingl

I've also used discs up to 16x speed on machines which say they are designed for 2x or 4x and without any problems. I really don't think that is your problem. More than likely your machine is finnicky about the brand of disc and type of dye used....it also might be that the recording laser is on the way out (they really don't last that many discs, a few hundred at most). Being picky about the brand of disc could just be because it's old and dye technology has moved on....or could be a sign that the recording laser is on the way out.

Just checking these were DVD-R and not DVD+R....because the latter will effectively delete the first recordings on a disc leaving only the last one available unless you specifically tell the machine to record a second (third, fourth) title. Whereas DVD-R will record multiple titles unless you specifically delete one. In both cases the disc will fill up with the total material recorded, as they are WORM discs.

Another pointer, yes all these machines *need* the remote. The DVD editing and access facilities cannot be accomplished with a few buttons. There are always menus and functions concerned with titling recordings and discs. However many remotes can be emulated with smartphone apps, if you have a smartphone with IR emitter (ie not an Apple product).
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I've been recording DVDs since 2004 and have gone thorough several DVD recorders by Samsung and Panasonic. Truth be told, they don't last that long and I'm quite amazed that a unit from 2004 is still functional for DVD recordingl
I have the first model ever for the European market, the Pioneer DVR-7000 and still works.
I also have the second one, the Panasonic E-20, a Behemoth by today' standards.
Both work.
Also have the first DVD recorder with HDD, the Panasonic HS2.
This works too.
The more generations (years) pass, the less reliable these things are.
As I am not a fan of DVD recorder simpletonic menus, I use them mainly as ADC, using DVD-RW (or -RAM), but I remember they worked fine with the DVD-Rs I used.

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I've also used discs up to 16x speed on machines which say they are designed for 2x or 4x and without any problems. I really don't think that is your problem. More than likely your machine is finnicky about the brand of disc and type of dye used....it also might be that the recording laser is on the way out (they really don't last that many discs, a few hundred at most). Being picky about the brand of disc could just be because it's old and dye technology has moved on....or could be a sign that the recording laser is on the way out.
That was my idea too. An incompatibility between the drive and media.

The only solution is to extract the drive and install a newer firmware, if it exists.

All DVD-recorders use "computer" burners, but a change of the unit cannot be done without a special factory DVD, for the recorder and the writer are paired, of fear of copyright infringements.

So yes, you have to repair the drive, an exchange is out of question (well everything can be changed except the main board, like optics, motors etc.... remember Microsoft reinstalments of windows?)

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Another pointer, yes all these machines *need* the remote. The DVD editing and access facilities cannot be accomplished with a few buttons. There are always menus and functions concerned with titling recordings and discs. However many remotes can be emulated with smartphone apps, if you have a smartphone with IR emitter (ie not an Apple product).
Nope, I am not sure about this. The IR for computers is specially chosen to be different from the IR of domestic appliances not to interfere.
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Old 01-15-2018, 01:34 AM
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It is possible that it doesn't like the dye in my Verbatim and Memorex 16x DVD-Rs...however I did manage to get it to record on one Verbatim 16x disc (only after a few other recording errors on the same disc), which it did so practically flawlessly afterwards until I shut the unit off for the night and turned it back on the next day to find an error code that represented "high speed disc". That disc, while I cannot record to it anymore, does still playback in the unit without flaws (it never got finalized so it wont play back in anything else). It doesn't like any of my Memorex 4x DVD-RWs. It indicates the disc is a DVD-RW and will play back finalized ones...but will not allow me into the DVD setup menu to format the discs. I have yet to try any other brand of -RWs.

It will not recognize blank or recorded DVD+Rs.

It recorded fine on the old Apple 4x DVD-R and so far it's recording fine on these Princo 4x DVD-Rs. As a test, I transferred a few old VHS tapes that were recorded off broadcast TV to DVD...ones I intend to upload the commercials out of to YouTube. The discs recorded through to the end and allowed me to edit and name the recording without hangups and they finalized successfully.

We'll have to see how long these Princo discs retain their data, I've heard mixed results with them (mostly from 10+ year old reviews).

It's an old unit, bought it mostly as a toy (I wasn't expecting a whole lot being an early lower end recorder...from Goodwill). But, I figured if I could get it working, it could serve as a backup recorder in case the Panasonic is in use or god-forbid gives up.

I bought the Panasonic new in 2008, and since then I've had to record close to 300 DVDs in it (including multiple times on DVD-RWs and a DVD-RAM disc) at all the different modes...from 1hr XP mode to 8hr EP mode (it has two EP modes 6hr and 8hr, must be set in the menu). I've also used it to record the radio many times in the past as the disc could easily be put into my computer and ripped to wav or mp3 (I've since dedicated an old MacBook to that.) It's still going strong. Haven't given me trouble yet. Last thing I recorded on it was that PBS Moody Blues special.

If the drive ever goes in it, I see I can still get new and "rebuilt" ones that are exact drop in replacements for the model. Not cheap, but still cheaper than finding a NOS or used unit of the same model.
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[QUOTE=Ghitulescu;735986]I have the first model ever for the European market, the Pioneer DVR-7000 and still works.
I also have the second one, the Panasonic E-20, a Behemoth by today' standards.
Both work.[/qoute]

Err....Philips had models on the market at least two years prior to the DVR7000.


But kudos on having old DVD recorders which work. I've gone through at least four, three Panasonics and a Samsung. In all cases it was the recording laser which went. All four would continue to play DVDs and CDs. Maybe I just record more discs than the rest of you?

Home recorded DVDs for video material generally seem to last OK ...but they do tend to develop then odd error which leads to glitches in the picture. Analogous to tape dropouts on VHS I'd say....OK for video but not good for data.
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I have the first model ever for the European market, the Pioneer DVR-7000 and still works.
I also have the second one, the Panasonic E-20, a Behemoth by today' standards.
Both work.
Err....Philips had models on the market at least two years prior to the DVR7000.
My mistake, on European market (PAL) indeed Pioneer went a bit later for it had to adapt the NTSC version to PAL. All three went at the same IFA fair.

The Philips must be probably the model 1000.

Although all three models, Panny E20, Pio 7000 and Philly 1000, looked almost equally impressive, my previous experience with opticals from Philips told me to stay away, and I did not care what they did, and still I do not, even today. I also have optical spare parts for both (Pio and Panny) so I would not suffer from such issues.
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