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Old 01-11-2018, 11:09 AM
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First Experience With LPR35

Recently received my first reel of LPR35. Question- Why is there so much tape on the reel? There is barely a 1/16 of an inch from outer edge of reel to tape media, thus the tape is always wanting to spool off the reel when mounting and threading; a bit of a hassle. Did I receive an overly loaded reel, or is this normal for LPR35? As far as recording with it on my TEAC A-3340, it yielded good results, but not as good as vintage Maxell-UD. Can't take certain hard rock passages and the soundstage seems flat; lacks depth and sustain if you know what I mean. I also tried LPR90, but my deck does not seem to like it at its present setup and calibration. Got a lot of tape hiss in soft passages of music. It does seem to take harder inputs better than 35, as expected. Wish there was something between 35 and 90, as I don't want to have to recalibrate. Wishful thinking on my part.

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Old 01-11-2018, 05:37 PM
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The calibration is most likely off. If the deck likes UD then it should be close.

Remember I am no fan of LPR 35. The hiss is a indicator of everything being out of whack but I have noticed LPR 35 is hissy on some decks.

Try the Capture tape, I would think that should work out as it's more of the consumer type tape.
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Old 01-11-2018, 06:39 PM
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John,
Who is the go to dealer for Capture, and what specific tape should I buy?

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Old 01-11-2018, 06:42 PM
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Gotta agree with johns82 regarding cal. I'm using LPR35 for everything, no hiss / no nothing / just spacious detail w/plenty of headroom.....shrug
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I am thinking about changing into the 900 series though just to go thicker but LPR is serving me well.
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Old 01-11-2018, 07:19 PM
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Like some people in the past that questioned the quality of LPR35, there is no better tape than that tape and if UD sound better the deck is not set up properly for the LPR35. I have adjusted many decks to LPR35 and it has done a wonderful job on any deck I used it on. Maxell UD is a long past formula maybe 40 years old- I put that tape in the brake test category.
The XL I is still a good tape but LPR35 beats it.
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Old 01-11-2018, 09:26 PM
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Splicit sells Capture tape, in 7" reels, it's 1200 Ft (equivalent to 60 Min in Cassette land), or 1800Ft, which is the equiv to 90 minutes, but that's for 7.5ips though. Double that for 3.75ips and if your deck can do 15ips (the 3340 can't do that fast), half that, just to give you a reference.

It's normal for 1800-3600 Ft length tapes on 7" reels to get quite close to the edge, but there again to get 3600Ft on a 7" reel, it has to be half a mil, not the full mil of 1800Ft, or 1.5mil for 1200Ft, just to give a reference.

As far as bias/calibration is concerned, your deck may be off, not unusual if not restored electrically and re-calibrated to a specific tape.
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:43 PM
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John,
Who is the go to dealer for Capture, and what specific tape should I buy?

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Old 01-12-2018, 12:49 AM
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Splicit sells Capture tape, in 7" reels, it's 1200 Ft (equivalent to 60 Min in Cassette land), or 1800Ft, which is the equiv to 90 minutes, but that's for 7.5ips though. Double that for 3.75ips and if your deck can do 15ips (the 3340 can't do that fast), half that, just to give you a reference.
YOUR 3340 may no go 15ips, but mine does... spec sheet here also indicates as much.
http://www.thevintageknob.org/teac-A-3340S.html
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My 3340 does 15 ips, one can look at the capstan shaft, if it's (larger) ceramic it runs 7.5/15 ips
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All A3340S or 3340 deck went 7.5 IPS and 15 IPS. The deck that went slower were using the same transport but a different capstan shaft and that would be the A3300S or SX but there were versions of A3300SX that went 15 IPS but may have been 2 track. A3300SX-2T is what they were called.
The A2340S or SX or SR were the ones that always did the slower speeds
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Yep go to Splice it and try a reel of 930. Get a seven inch reel just to find out IF YOU LIKE IT!
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OK, so the 3340 can do 15ips, I stand corrected.
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Old 01-12-2018, 11:18 AM
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Thanks all. I have ordered a 7" reel of Capture 930 to give it a try.

And yes, my 3340 does 15 ips too, but don't use it all that much, as it performs incredibly well at 7.5 using half the amount of tape.

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Old 01-12-2018, 04:44 PM
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15 IPS is great for signal to noise as the higher speeds need less EQ boost. Less boost less hiss. Also as speed increases chances for dropouts are reduced as the time of travel over the heads for a bad section of tape is reduced.

Mostly 15 IPS on home recordings is not needed. Heck with a lot of work and dbx type II I have gotten great results at 3 3/4 using lowered record levels.
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I just finished a modified record EQ deck in a Teac A6300. The deck rolled off fast after 15 KHz when I started. When I finished using LPR35 tape the response at 7.5 IPS was 22Hz to 24KHz inside of plus or minus 2dB and at 0 Vu referenced to 200 nWb/M flux density. Just another example that that tape has some good stuff in it.
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I have to agree that LPR35 is excellent. Perhaps you got a bad reel? It is certainly one of the brightest tapes out there. Capture will be less bright but all things being equal Capture is plenty bright.
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Yes I did a A 6300 for a customer using LPR 35 and at 200 nWb 0VU it went out to -3 dB at 26 kHz +/- 2 dB at 24kHz as well. but of course I got this using venerable Scotch 207 on my A 6300.

But then again I got my Akai GX 270 D with a modified/adjustable play/record EQ to go out flat past 22 kHz with oldy timey Scotch 203.

All the discussion of "how good" a tape is is based on "how is the deck calibrated". If somone has not the calibration equipment then discussing how the tape should sound is a non sequitur.

Let's see if the OP's deck works with the next tape. I would assume the reason for so many different tape formulas years ago was that someone could find a tape they liked, not that they had to calibrate to.
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Old 01-13-2018, 09:25 AM
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While waiting for the reel of Capture to be delivered, I decided to retry LPR90 using different source material (Pink Floyd's Animals) and was completely blown away. I guess on my previous recording with 90 I was using source material that already had inherent tape hiss when it went to CD. If LPR90 performs this good most of the time, I will be very happy. Anxious to see how the Capture will compare.

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Its a very good tape thats affordable.
Use it with a RT 707 and Teac X1000.
Both my machines have been calibrated to it when recently serviced.
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Ok folks, I received my reel of Capture 930 and things did not work out very well. The tape produced intermittent dropouts about every 10-15 seconds starting about 5 minutes into the tape. Double checked by recording same source with LPR35 and LPR90- no problems. Emailed Roger at Splicit. He immediately informed me that they are having quality issues with a certain batch of 930. I was given a refund and they are sending a shipping label for me to send the bad stuff back for them to analyze. I must admit, the record quality on my TEAC A-3340 with 930 was amazing. Just the dropouts made it unusable. Kudos to Splicit for quick customer service on this issue. I hope they get this straightened out, as I want to acquire some more 930.

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