Riddle me this! (or .. a real audio brainteaser)

[jbeckva]

Now mind you I've been messing with audio equipment for awhile, so maybe if I really drew it out there MAY be a solution. BUT... I figured this would be a good brain teaser for all you audio nuts out there.

Here's the situation... say you have the following equipment...

1. A pre-amp and amp separate, but no headphone on the power amp.
2. An EQ. The EQ does have a tape loop available as well, but - when it is not engaged the output to the tape deck will include the equalizer effects (it won't when the tape loop on the EQ is engaged). This MAY be an advantage to the solution!
3. A tape deck.
4. A receiver you use as a tuner, and it sure sounds good for your headphones so that will be where the headphones stay.
5. Another "source" ... we'll call this one "the source". Not a phono... strictly regular "line level"

So here are the requirements for an ideal solution...

1. The EQ effects should be available to both the main pre/power amp and the receiver for headphone listening

2. The tape deck should not be subjected to the EQ's effects when recording(obvious right?.. soundwise each source should be on equal footing before any tone control/eq, even recordings should be neutral pretty much)

3. Tape deck, tuner in the receiver, and "The source" must be able to be routed to either pre/power amp or receiver for headphone listening, and both should have the eq available in the signal path.

4. Definitely a requirement here - no matter what, you cannot have this and that button pressed and create a feedback loop so severe it blows everything up and fries your 18 year old cat sitting on top of the amp...

SO.. let's put our thinking caps on... hmmmmmm....

(first one that figures it out gets 5 bananas.. yep, that's 5.. count'em right here)

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(edited to include the tuner requirement)

[stuwee]

Simple you use the 'phone jack on the separete preamp, the receiver and, the cassette deck, the other source, you plug into what ever system you're playing, the EQ can be used on all as well. I have a *headache*

[vinyldavid]

Welllllll

I think that I got a solution for you. *reelspin*

I can do this with my AudioSource Model 8 II EQ, I believe.

It has two main inputs, that can be switched between with the push of a button.

Audio and Video. Just the two inputs. AND tape, of course. but we'll get to that later.

Run the pre's eq out into the main in, and the receiver's EQ out into the video input. The main out goes to the pre, and the tape out goes to the receiver. Then, connect the tape deck to the second loop of the pre (providing that the pre has bi-directional dubbing), and with the AudioSource you can select whether the video OR Audio input goes to all of the outputs, and with bi-directional dubbing, just send the tape deck's output to the EQ, and that can be routed back to the headphone jack.

make ANY sense at all?

Because it would work :D

That makes NO sense.

OK.

Lemme try to explain another way.

I can't.

But it would work.

I think.

It's your best option, I believe.

But a DBX 300 might be better, but again, it will be very tricky.

[jbeckva]

Yeah, if I had multiple inputs on the pre, eq, and possibly receiver all inclusive then I could do something there.

But... I think I have it... yeah, it's "cheating", but...

So considering that the receiver only has one tape loop, I have to patch all sources to that first. Tuner's built in... eq goes on the tape loop, 3rd "source" goes to the receiver's aux/cd input, and tape deck goes on the tape loop for the eq. All sources now available where I want the headphones at (the receiver) and all set to record to tape, so the remaining issue is how to get the eq output to the preamp and out to the speaks.. There's where the "cheat" comes in...

The "cheat"? Well... I do have a couple of Y splitters so I'll split off the eq's output to both the receiver and the pre-amp. Lame I know... but it'll work.

Although... the preamp does have some interesting functions in it. Basically it seems to me to have two separate "dubbing" sections - one strictly audio, but the other both audio/video. Both sections can be set for the rec out to be whatever the source is, but the key too is that one can be independently set from the other so long as whatever source belongs in the same "section" (either A or A/V). Somehow I think I can do something there...

BUT.. just like Stuwee says... I have a serious *headache* thinking about this.. aaaarrgh! It's like.. right.. there.. in frontofme! *eyepop*

[stuwee]

jbeckva, i just tried playing around with system #4 and adjusted my sig just for you, btw the SAE P102 pre has two outputs with meters, I put the lady in there, 'cuz that's how I feel (and to get a rise outta Lady A), I'll try again tomorrow. *devil*
Craig

[jbeckva]

Actually... hmmm... may have got it here...

3rd source goes to receiver. Receiver's got tuner...

Rec/Tape out on receiver to EQ in

Hang tape deck right off EQ, like normal

Out from EQ to CD / Aux in on Pre

Rec/Tape out on Pre BACK to receiver tape IN/Play

Receiver stays with tape loop patched in (tape monitor, etc)... Pre always stays on CD/Aux

Draw it out..... methinks this would work! *check*

[stuwee]

*Hi5**Hi5*Should work however, ya got way too much back and forth goin' on (for me anyway) I see a "new" control center in your future!!

[MacGyver]

indeed, that's an easier solution than any other; a receiver with another tape/monitor loop. i am fortunate in that my D1S has everything i could possibly need, and then some...


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[jbeckva]

indeed, that's an easier solution than any other; a receiver with another tape/monitor loop. i am fortunate in that my D1S has everything i could possibly need, and then some...


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[MacGyver]

Hehe - Guess what this is?? :)

Your package is on time with a scheduled delivery date of 08/19/2008.


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