Model 11 pinch rollers anyone?

[jdurbin1]

Anyone in the group a model 11 owner?

I was going through some of the misc. rubber parts in the NOS stash from Canada last night, and found what looks like a lifetime supply of new pinch rollers for the model 11. Well, ok it is only several pieces but how many model 11's turn up these days much less get used?

Not sure yet but I don't think they fit anything else Tandberg made.

Figured I'd ask here if anyone needs a spare before they get listed on eBay.

John

[Nakdoc]

If you look at Njord's tandberg database, you might find other models that use this pinch roller. it would be neat if it fit the 33, for example.

[jdurbin1]

33? Don't recognize that model... did you mean 3300X?

FWIW, I own either originals or scans of Tandberg service & parts manuals as well as service bulletins and support documents like spare parts price lists that cover virtually every tape deck (or receiver or component) Tandberg ever made, other than a few missing items from their latter days. I think I have the spare parts prices lists for this series of decks as published in three different years, as an example. There's way more info on parts in my file drawer and PC than the on-line archives have currently, I just haven't published much of it...

I did not do a completely exhaustive search the other night, but I did look at the older stuff (model 6, 7 etc.) including decks I have myself (64X, 65) and also the newer models (3000X/4000X/6000X in particular because I was looking for one of those at the time) and they're all larger wheels. This one is unusual in being fairly small for an open reel deck at the time, which makes sense given the model 11 is so tiny compared to the other Tandberg decks. In fact, if you just handed me one without the NOS part bag/label and I didn't know where it had come from, I'd probably have guessed it was by another maker.

Anyway, I'll look at some of the less common ones from that period (model 8, 9, 12, 1200x, 1600x etc.) but I'm 98.5% sure this is a one-off part for the model 11.

Thanks,

John

[Nakdoc]

oops 64...mushy brain

[Nakdoc]

I had a rather large file of Tandberg which I mailed off to Njord for scanning, so that database is almost complete. When you get a chance compare your files to Njord's list. He has listed the documents exactly as Tandberg did, so the parts lists are labeled as such....no need to do detective work.

[jdurbin1]

I look at them all the time... as his files are all copied to my PC, where they are saved next to my own scan files. I refer to them all the time whenever I don't have that one myself or have an original that hasn't been scanned - sometimes it's just easier to pop open a pdf instead of digging the original out. Also a lot of my scans are not processed and it's a PITA to dig through a series of image files with half of them upside down, etc.

Next to that PC is a 2 foot long file box of originals. I would estimate conservatively that there are well over 100 manual- or service-related documents in the file box available nowhere on the internet. Ever seen a copy of the 1981 parts book called "Heads" or one called "Semiconductors"? I have both... just an example. I've been pretty aggressive about scouting this stuff out and filling in the blanks whenever I can. A few kind folks in Europe have helped out as well - ever seen a hand-drawn schematic for the analog board in a 3015A CD player?

Now, if you can point me at the schematic or Circuit Diagram with Alignment Instructions for the TPA 3026A, TIA 3018A, TPR 3080A, maybe a nice 3036A power amp, or even a parts list for the 3014/3014A, I would jump out of my seat - been hunting those for a few years now. But on these older RTR, I have document coverage that's both wide and deep - somewhat ironic since I specialize in the later receivers and 3000-series stuff. I've tried to not get involved with the earlier tube hardware but still collected the documents.

The model 64 roller is considerable larger diameter than these model 11 parts. I own one of those decks BTW and have two others at the house (actually 64X and a model 65 playback-only) that use the same rollers. Wasn't hard to find one to compare the 990050 rollers to the other night *reelspin*.

The "standard" rollers from that period were the 51.1-6C, 51.1-7C with the last number apparently designating the series. This one for the model 11 was originally 51.1-1C and became the 990050-11C following the nomenclature change, and eventually just 990050.

The most common roller following the tube series was the 990234, which became the 990334 later. That was the one I was looking for, to fit a 6000X someone asked me about. None of those, unfortunately. I do have a spare for the 64X which came with it, packed away securely in tissue together with an idler wheel and drive belt. Gotta love owners that are that meticulous with their stuff!

I'll get a pic of one of these and post it, you'll see what I mean about it being recognizably different than other period Tandberg rollers. I dug around in the files some more and it still appears to be unique to the model 11 and 11P.

John

[Nakdoc]

I have a wooden case mono tandberg here somewhere. I'll have to dig it out. It is beautiful! Maybe it is an 11?

[jdurbin1]

Probably not, the model 11 is a portable used among other things for movie soundtracking as I understand it. More like a Uher or Nagra but not quite in their class

Mono/wood case could be model 2, 3, 4, 5, or the later 8 or 9 possibly.

Here's a pic from the service manual cover.

John



I have a wooden case mono tandberg here somewhere. I'll have to dig it out. It is beautiful! Maybe it is an 11?

[Nakdoc]

I have a 2 TF in a suitcase. The tape counter is like a watch face!

[jdurbin1]

Nice... that is a true vintage deck!

http://www.nrhf.no/TB-2.html

John

[Nakdoc]

The sad part is the magic eye tube is worth much more than the deck. The wood veneer case is much prettier than comes across in the photo.

[DaveInVA]

There is a Tandberg Model 11 on Flebay right now:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-1967-TANDBERG-MODEL-II-REEL-TO-REEL-MACHINE_W0QQitemZ150413905293QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVi ntage_Electronics_R2?hash=item23055e0d8d

Not mine but I will be putting several of my tube stereo wood case Tandbergs (6, 64, 64X) up as soon as I get the new belts and pinch rollers installed. They can be very nice sounding decks. Also have a 6000X thats getting new belts and roller.

Dave

[RedGrant]

There is a Tandberg Model 11 on Flebay right now:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-1967-TANDBERG-MODEL-II-REEL-TO-REEL-MACHINE_W0QQitemZ150413905293QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVi ntage_Electronics_R2?hash=item23055e0d8d

Not mine but I will be putting several of my tube stereo wood case Tandbergs (6, 64, 64X) up as soon as I get the new belts and pinch rollers installed. They can be very nice sounding decks. Also have a 6000X thats getting new belts and roller.

Dave



I bought it. Heads look almost brand new. (Took a gamble for the right price, and won! What a joy!) The leather pack that comes with it is in very good conditiion.

Eventually going to use it for live recording at the concerts.

[DaveInVA]

Cool! Those are well built machines.

Dave

[jdurbin1]

And we know where to go if it needs a pinch roller *reelspin*

John

[RedGrant]

Cool! Those are well built machines.

Dave


According to Mr. Heliyer, the author of "Tape Recorder Manual", he rated it along with TOTL Uher of the day, and just below TOTL Nagra of the day.

Bang for the buck factor, one of the best. Mine is 2 track Mono. (I want Mono anyway.)

Gramaphone review rated it very highly.

But I guess it doesn't have the "collector" value unlike Uher and Nagra.

[RedGrant]

And we know where to go if it needs a pinch roller *reelspin*

John

Of course, I just hope I don't get scalped. *eyepop*

[jdurbin1]

If you've got a mailing address, you've got parts *reelspin*

Where else am I going to unload a bunch of these?

I've seen a couple of cool model 11 accessories recently, including the battery eliminator (eBay item 110497472729) and some other piece from Arrivox that works with it, but I forgot the description. I probably bookmarked it though, will check.

Interesting little deck! It reminds me more than a little of the model 100 instrumentation recorder I have at home, at least the deck part that sits on top of the rest of the equipment housing. I'll have to look and see if those model 11 rollers fit that, too.

John

[tandberg]

Hi, from Norway !
TB11, TB7000/Arrivox, TIR 100 and TIR115 uses the same, small pinchroller. Ø 22 mm / Ø3 mm bore
Can't be used in the other models.

TB1700, TB1800 and TB1300 uses one type, Ø20,5 mm / Ø3 bore

TB1 and newer uses a 1'' type with 3 mm bore. 9000X-9100X, 9200XD, 3300X,3400X,3500X,3600XD,10X(D) And TD20A uses 1'' with 4 mm bore. (Partnumber 994505 )

By the way, I restore any of these types.

http://nrhf.no/kjop-salg/repdeler.html

What is that ''head book'' ? From Tandberg ????

[jdurbin1]

Welcome to Tapeheads!

Great info on Tandberg pinch rollers, thank you for contributing that. I thought the model 11 roller was probably the same for the TIR 100, as I have one of those as well and the similarities of the tape mechanisms are fairly obvious. Speaking of the instrumentation recorder, have you ever seen the type based on the TCD310 MkII cassette mechanism? I once saw that in a very grainy picture for sale locally on Craigslist (not local to me, was in Tennessee) and am still kicking myself for not buying it instantly.

Yes, the "Heads" book is a publication from Tandberg intended for their service centers, as best as I can tell. It's done in the same style and format as the Spare Parts Price Lists. I have others for specific models or groups of models, and one called "Semiconductors" that's been helpful on a few occasions for servicing older receiver models.

John

[tandberg]

Yes, TB 11 / Arrivox and the instrumentation recorders have the same mechanics. Not sure about the motor though, maybe the mains-powered TIR's have a larger motor. I have'nt opened my TIR100. Old/newer TB 11 also have some differences.

I added diameters for the other types i my last post.

Could you copy/scan that ''heads'' book ?
I'll try to obtain those 3000 series manuals you miss.
I think I have the schematics for 3036.

Several years ago I saved pictures of that 310 Mk II / Vetter (?) recorder.
Probably a normal TCD which an another company added the extra 'box'.

Where do you live ? I live 20-30 minutes away from three of the old Tandberg factories. Know a few old employees, and I have -and still deliver- parts to especially one of them, by the way he fixed my TB6X last week.*reelspin*

[jdurbin1]

Yes, I will scan the Heads parts list... will see if I can't get that done today. It will make a useful addition to Njord Noatun's archives hosted here on Tapeheads.

Very happy to hear you mention the 3036A, I have one patiently waiting for repair. It has one good channel, one with wandering offset and unstable bias. I have been putting off doing anything with it due to lack of the manual. If you happen across a 3008A or 3080A manual, that would also be wonderful.

I thought the added box on that 310 MkII IR looked very similar to the one for the TIR 100 but the pictures were limited and very low-res so it was hard to make out any detail. I'd have been interested in seeing what they did with the heads and other circuitry since a 2-channel data recorder would seem to be fairly limited in application.

I am in San Diego, no Tandberg factories in the neighborhood here but you would think they were located next door, after looking through the "museum" I've been assembling. :-)

John

[jdurbin1]

Ok, scanned both the Heads and Semiconductors parts schedule documents, which are from 1979. Would have been nice to have the same from a later date so the 3000-series was represented, but these are still pretty useful.

They are a little bigger than the forum pdf file posting limit, so I am sending them to Njord Noatun for addition to the Tandberg manuals archive. If you want a copy directly, send me a PM with your email address.

John

[tandberg]

Thanx a lot !
That Tandberg Ar Vetter picture might be the same, low res and 6 pictures 'in one' ?

[Njord Noatun]

I'll try to obtain those 3000 series manuals you miss. I think I have the schematics for 3036.I would love to add any documentation you may have to the Tandberg document database.

And welcome to TH, Tandberg - glad you found us!