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Des-Lab
09-13-2008, 01:59 PM
This latest TapeHeads.Net/Des-Lab tape review will focus on the new ATR Master Tape.

This is a new tape available.

And now, I have taken the time to conduct a full scale test of the tape and report my findings.

My testing methodology was essentially the same process that I used in my recent Akai GX and SX cassette review (http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=753).

TAPE DESCRIPTION:

Type: Reel to reel blank
Brand/Model#: ATR "Mastering"
Width: ¼" wide
Length/Thickness: 1.5 mil X 2400'


The ATR tape comes in an attractive blue textured box as shown:

http://x-2000r.0catch.com/images/tapestuff/ATR_Box.JPG

The included reel was that of heritage Scotch/3M style with the ATR logo discretely stamp printed in blue letters on one side. As an aside, while I don't particularly care for the aesthetics of this style reel, I must say that the super wide windage hole cutouts and the flush flanges, these are BY FAR the EASIEST reels to thread. So while in my book they score an F for looks, they score an A+ for function. Perhaps 3M and now ATR intended it that way.

http://x-2000r.0catch.com/images/tapestuff/ATR_Reel.JPG

The tape itself looks like pretty much any other high performance blank: chocolate brown oxide surface with dark gray/black back coating (more on this below). The surface of the tape appeared mostly mirror smooth and no blemishes or evidence of oxide outcrop was noted. The fill-to height in the reel was also considered nominal. The tape comes supplied as leaderless:

http://x-2000r.0catch.com/images/tapestuff/ATR_Tape_Surface.JPG
http://x-2000r.0catch.com/images/tapestuff/ATR_ReelFill.JPG

However one thing I did notice is what appeared to be an inconsistent slit pattern on the outer surface of the tape pack. I do not know if this normal or not. It is only readily visible in reflective and semi sillhouette lighting. It had no adverse effect on recording or playback that I was able to discern:

http://x-2000r.0catch.com/images/tapestuff/ATR_Slit_Pattern.JPG

Because the tape comes leaderless, I elected to attach/splice on my own. I used white color for the head end and blue for the tail end. For further instruction on how to perform a splice, please see THIS (http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=276) topic.

http://x-2000r.0catch.com/images/tapestuff/ATR_Attach_Leader.JPG

Once the first leader was on, I proceeded to do a fast-wind pass of the tape as per recommended protocol when using a virgin tape for the first time. At the other end, the other leader was attached. And the tape was fast-wound a second time back to the front end. It should also be noted that the deck was cleaned and demagnetized in preparation for this test prior to the first run of the tape. During fast wind, the tape unravelled smoothly and quietly with no signs of hesitation, stickiness, or any other abnormality.

However, it should be noted that the back coating didn't exactly perform up to par. Part of the reason for applying the layer of carbon or graphite to the back side of the tape is to ensure smooth and uniform tape wind at high speed. The resulting pack wasn't exactly what could be called smooth and uniform. I've seen several other "lower" grade tapes (such as Maxell XLI and Quantegy #407) pack up much smoother and even at high speed.

http://x-2000r.0catch.com/images/tapestuff/ATR_Tape_Pack.JPG

http://x-2000r.0catch.com/images/tapestuff/ATR_White_Rewind.JPG
http://x-2000r.0catch.com/images/tapestuff/ATR_Blue_Rewind.JPG

TESTING METHODOLOGY

Once I finished the physical and cosmetic evaluation of the tape, it was time to perform an array of actual sonic tests on the tape to evaluate its actual performance. My testing process includes two sets of parameters: OBJECTIVE and SUBJECTIVE. In the case of the former, I used a series of neutral test tones (courtesy of the Stereophile "Test CD").

http://x-2000r.0catch.com/images/tapestuff/ATR_StereophileCD.JPG

The test tones used were:

Pink noise
1 Khtz tone
100 Htz tone
50 Htz tone

http://x-2000r.0catch.com/images/tapestuff/ATR_TestTones.JPG

DECK USED: Teac X-2000R

SPEED: 7½ ips

I recorded each tone twice. First was to establish the best bias setting and truest possible A/B comparison with regards to source-to-playback monitoring.

The second stage of the test involved recording each of the tones at the favorable bias setting at the highest possible input gain to determine a level of threshold for distortion and saturation.

http://x-2000r.0catch.com/images/tapestuff/ATR_Ready_To_Test.JPG

FINDINGS FOR TEST TONE RECORDINGS

PINK NOISE: Unable to achieve a neutral and true sound with bias, even when turned down as far as the deck is capable: -5%. The original still sounded "brighter" than the recording. With the bias turned all the way UP to +5%, the ensuing recording sounded overwhelmingly dull, as though the tape was suffering severe azimuth errors. The maximum input the tape was able to handle before saturating with audible distortion was +3dB.

1 Khtz: Bias results were identical. However, perhaps in part because of the bias mismatch, during a L/R channel A/B comparison, there was about a 1-2 dB offset. Note that on the output switches, the L channel is set to "tape" and the R channel is set to "source".

But on the saturation part of the test, using this tone, I was able completely "peg the needles" with no audible distortion:

http://x-2000r.0catch.com/images/tapestuff/ATR_Monitor_Offset.JPG
http://x-2000r.0catch.com/images/tapestuff/ATR_Meters_Pegged.JPG
http://x-2000r.0catch.com/images/tapestuff/ATR_Adjust_Levels.JPG

Results for 100 Htz and 50 Htz were identical to the 1 Khtz test above. In short, for neutral tones, pink noise nothwithstanding, this tape has outstanding headroom. It should also be noted that while I was not able to achieve a true A/B synergy with the bias, this tape has a stunningly low noise floor-essentially nonexistent.

The second half of the evaluation involved SUBJECTIVE testing, using actual musical recorded material in an effort to mimic and replicate how the tape might be used in a day to day setting. Also, because of the much more modulated signal and mix of sounds and frequencies, it simultaneously tests the tape across a much broader range of the sound spectrum as opposed to a single locked frequency.

My test songs, I recorded the following musical selections, for the full length of their track duration two times. Once to establish best bias and optimum sound. The second time, to establish a threshold of distortion:

"Renaissance Man" by The Ocean Blue, because of its emphasis on heavy bass, electric guitars, and strong beat.

"Fable" by Robert Miles because of its etheral electronica sound, high octave keyboards, and steady beat.

"Learning To Fly" by Tom Petty because of its overdubbed accoustic guitars and mid-octave range vocals.

The procedure for all three songs was identical as the test tones above. However, I introduced one additional element. And that is I conducted a blind test with a second listener (my wife) to see if she could correctly disntinguish between the source and recording.

For #1: Still unable to get correct, true playback because of bias issue, even when turned down all the way to -5%. However, the playback was very deep and rich. Distortion and saturation in the low-end tracks such as bass and drums was audible at +3 dB and up on the gain.

For #2: Biasing results were the same. Playback exhibited the same rich analog sound as found in #1. However, because of this musical and tonal content of this track, it was able to handle an across-the-board sustained +3 dB input with pegged peaks on the needles before any audible distortion was heard.

And finally #3: Results were pretty much identical to the outcome in #1.

And for the blind test, the wife was able to correctly distinguish between the source and the playback 3 out of 3 times.

After all tests were finished, I re-recorded a short passage of each of the three test songs. I overdubbed/mixed them together as a final "sample" recording. I then filmed a playback of this test. You will hear in the first selection, some audible saturation.

You can view/hear the video HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGz2Tc9WGz4). I highly recommend that you select the "watch in high quality" option that way you can then view the VU needles showing the output.

CONCLUSIONS:

Overall, a very good tape. For single tones, it is phenomenal. And while touted as a high bias tape (which can result in a decreased emphasis on highs during playback), it definitely has an extremely rich sound that screams every bit of analog it is. It has an almost nonexistent base noise level that all but completely negates the need to use any external device such as Dolby or DBX when using this tape. It would definitely make a good and reliable "master source" tape if an emphasis on capturing the "analog" sound is the desired outcome. For trying to capture the "live" sound, I would use this tape with caution because of the level of low-end saturation that was heard. Especially in light of the fact that this is a 1.5 mil thickness tape (50% more oxide than a so-called 'consumer' tape such as Maxell XLI or Quantegy #407.). I would've expected a much higher tolerance for distortion because of that. Also, if you are a discerning audiophile that wants the best possible "analog" sound-especially when recording from Master Cut LP's, this is the tape for you.

However, if you are more of a home hobbyist and do a lot of casual recording and listening-especially if you like the longer lengths, this is probably a lot more tape than you need and I would not recommend it. Stick with a 1.0 mil tape for your day-to-day listening. Use this ATR tape only for your "masterpiece" works and/or for when you want and need to bring out the very best your system can do-such as when you are doing critical listening. Or showing it off to an audience.

Thanks for reading.

niklasthedolphin
09-13-2008, 02:07 PM
You realy do a great job in these tests Des-Lab.

http://www.smilie.dk/klappende/c003.gif

"dolph"

close652
09-13-2008, 02:59 PM
A pleasure to read with good photos - thank you! *check*

Scorpion8
09-13-2008, 03:42 PM
Superb write-up, Matt! Thanks.

TheReeler
09-13-2008, 03:54 PM
Thanks for the info. Curious to see that, as the rest of pro brands, the reel came with lettering just in one side. I'd like to have some reels like that if they'd come lettered in both sides *hypnot*

4-tracks-guys are forgotten *reelspin*

gamve
09-13-2008, 04:33 PM
Great review, nice work Des

BroonsBane
09-13-2008, 05:02 PM
What an excellent write-up. I tell ya, this is THE place to come for tape expertise. I've learned a lot in a short period of time :-)<-

Des-Lab
09-13-2008, 05:35 PM
Thanks for the info. Curious to see that, as the rest of pro brands, the reel came with lettering just in one side. I'd like to have some reels like that if they'd come lettered in both sides *hypnot*

4-tracks-guys are forgotten *reelspin*

The only answer I can come up with that makes any sense as to why they are stamped only on one side is because of the "half track" issue.

Ostensibly these tapes are geared more towards professional and home 'studio' type users that record in one direction at half track. In that type of setup, the reels never get turned over. Thus no reason to stamp the other side; it's always 'face down'.

Also be that as it may. I'd be interested in hearing someone who has an Otari MX-5050, Tascam 32, Technics RS-1500-2T, or any other quarter inch half track deck try this tape. Perhaps those decks have a different type of bias current that would allow a more 'flat' playback of this tape. Remember. I did my tests on a Teac X-2000R, which is a quarter track deck. Which-incidentally-is where the reels DO get 'flipped over' (assuming the decks reverse function isn't used).

Jay Pemberton
09-13-2008, 08:28 PM
I wish I could afford a reel of it. I have a Tascam 32, and a modified tube Ampex 354, both 1/2 track stereo 7 1/2--15 ips machines, and I'd love to try the ATR tape on both of them. (And for grins, on an Akai GX 630D I have....) If I had a reel, I'd test it and post the results here.

jcmusic
09-14-2008, 07:26 AM
I have an Otari MX5050 and will be trying some of this tape in the future, Matt thanks alot for the review of the tape. That is the kind of info that seperates this site from all the others.

Jay

Acoustic
09-14-2008, 08:35 AM
Excellent detail in your reviews Matt. Thanks for taking the time to do them. Any more in the works?

Des-Lab
09-14-2008, 12:12 PM
I don't have any more reviews currently pending. Is there something you wanted to see reviewed like this? Cuz if I have it, I can conduct the full battery of tests.

TheReeler
09-14-2008, 12:21 PM
Matt, one suggestion. If you connect the output of the tape deck or preamp to the input line of the computer, using an audio analyzer program like Cool Edit or others, it could be shown a graph of dB level -vs- frequence if you record and play a sweep tone.

Des-Lab
09-14-2008, 12:26 PM
Matt, one suggestion. If you connect the output of the tape deck or preamp to the input line of the computer, using an audio analyzer program like Cool Edit or others, it could be shown a graph of dB level -vs- frequence if you record and play a sweep tone.


I could do that. If I wanted to take the trouble to install the software and move my computer (or the wifes laptop) into the stereo room.

However. Setup hassle issues aside, I don't want to do that and start going down the slippery slope of trying to "prove" sound via digitized screen displays and readouts. I am of the opinion that the sound that matters most is what the EARS tell me. Not what the screen does. PLus, with tape being an analog format, I don't want to start introducing all of those elements into the equation-which is precisely why so many of us are sticking with (and returning to) tape in the first place.

jbrainey
09-14-2008, 01:09 PM
Excellent review Matt. One question. Did you notice any oxide shed on your heads or pinch rollers?

Des-Lab
09-14-2008, 03:21 PM
No more than would be considered normal.

Fast Forward
09-14-2008, 04:28 PM
Great work Matt

braxus
09-14-2008, 06:11 PM
I don't have any more reviews currently pending. Is there something you wanted to see reviewed like this? Cuz if I have it, I can conduct the full battery of tests.

I'd like to see a review of the 900 tape from RMGI.

Great review!

mstcraig
09-15-2008, 08:41 AM
Interesting review and results on this tape. I bought a pair of ATR pancake reels back in June and have not had the chance to try them yet. I do have one recommendation for you, Matt. In your review you said that, even with the front panel bias control turned all the way down, the source was still a bit brighter than what was on the tape. You may wish to try adjusting the internal bias pots back a bit. This should then yield you more usable adjustment range via the front panel knob. Remember, your machine is very old compared to the tape you're using on it, and the AC current requirements of yesterdays tapes were different. ATR tape is geared from the ground up for the professional user, as was stated, and pro machines are always fully aligned before any serious recording is ever done. I feel if you adjust the bias internally back a bit, there shouldn't be any modern tape you cannot use and make a good match with.
Just my $.02. Craig

Doug_Olitsky
09-15-2008, 03:44 PM
Matt-

Fantastic job and a great read! I like the real world tests and reviews that can be replicated by we mere mortals.

Now, the only other comparision/review that needs to be conducted is on a reel of SM900, the only other tape in the same category as the ATR.

I think that would lay the groundwork out for those who are trying to decide between the two.

USR
09-17-2008, 08:11 AM
The fast wind pack on the ATR tape may not be as nice as some European brand(s) but ATR takes a lot of extra effort to have the back coat as smooth as possible. This is important to help keep the modulation noise down, since a rough surface on backcoating will add to modulation noise. Besides, a perfect fast wind pack isn't important because you shouldn't be storing your tapes after a fast wind anyway. Right guys? *eyepop*This is one of those trade offs. Do you want a perfect fast wind pack or better audio characteristics? We've wound lots of ATR tape in library wind mode and it looks as good as a play mode pack.

)dance(

Emo-Fan
11-05-2008, 04:11 PM
Hey, DesLab!

How do you think this new ATR tape measures up against Quantegy 499? I used that stuff on my TEAC 3440 with a Peavey mixer (for my own music which I mentioned elswwhere on this web site). I used the trick that they discuss on USRecording: Set the meters on both the tape deck and the mixer to 0 VU, then push the meters on the mixer down 6 to 9 dB. Now the tape deck's meters are down by the same amount, so you push the meters on the tape deck back up 6 or 9 dB, which saturates the tape without overloading it. In this way, the meters don't get pegged. If the tape can handle this procedure, there's no need for NR.

Quantegy is no longer in production, but EMTEC RMGI is supposed to be about the same. Is ATR a close competitor or is it even better?

Also:
If I used ATR, would I have to tweak the bias settings on my TEAC? I have no idea how to go about that, but both Quantegy 456 and 499 worked perfectly, so I'll just use RMGI/EMTEC if I have to tweak bias settings and run the risk of mucking things up.

I'd love some input from you great people at USR, too! Great to know that reel tape is still available for us R2R junkies!

Thanks!! (also for this cool web site)

braxus
01-20-2009, 05:42 PM
I've read on some other forums people who have used both RMGI 900 and ATR Master tape, that the ATR tape slightly edged out the 900 tape in sound quality. Something like RMGI was slightly veiled, where as ATR was very open. Even USR promotes ATR as being a better tape, repeating a customer's comment saying ATR's sound was orgasmic. I might not go that far, but it has caused me to go with this tape over 900 to try as my main tape.

Skywavebe
02-06-2009, 01:13 PM
Hello Group,
Although it was not my mission to evaluate the tape from the start, I had the opportunity to do some real measurement type tests. This was done using a Tascam 62 and the generator was an Audio Precision One with sweeps. The unit was set up for this tape as specified by the owner. This tape without the blue box was also purchased from US Recording Media.
I did not make a list of technical numbers to report here but unlike the test that Matt did, this was done on a 1/2 track deck with 15/30 IPS capability and optimized to the tape. No + or - 5% pot. What I can remember about the tape I tested was that it did have at least a 10 dB headroom and as specified as being a +10 type tape it has plenty of headroom capability.
What was noticed by my setup that hits me that I was able to run a sweep from 40 Hz to 31 KHz and only saw a plus/minus 1 dB variance max. I guess I could do a more profession report as I now own the machine that I repaired but suffice it to say the ATR manuafacturer has done a terrific job as far as I can tell. I did run across one SM900 tape that was visually fine but had all kinds of level shifts- I suspect that this tape has defects in it but how so I am not able to say. Several attempts were made at different parts of the tape with the same results. I have used SM911 with no problems at all.

Skywavebe
02-06-2009, 01:30 PM
Just a side note as I read a number of the test comments.
A tape can not be properly evaluated if the bias is not where it is suppose to be. For those out there that have an Otari MX5050 Mk??? there is such adjustments of that type right on the front panel. Maybe, one would like to chime in with results from that. I kind of think the ATR tape is a higher grade of tape than what is suppose to be used on the X2000 1/4 track but that does not mean that the deck could not be set up for that tape if it was opened up. Using a tape too good for the machine-an opinion, is not a fault but could be a error in economics. If you want to use it, more power to you as it will not give you bad results. The RMGI tape I have adjusted a lot of machines to- even as old as a Teac A1230 does do a great job as well.
I am talking SM911 or LPR35. It is great to have the good stuff available as well. Who is going to fight over 1 or 2 dB here or there?

Sanyomichi
04-03-2010, 08:22 PM
http://www.atrtape.com/pdf/ATR%20Tech%20Web.pdf

no one makes a better blank tape...people who think different will be issued ipods then shot....twice.

dodgeaspen
05-01-2010, 04:28 PM
Hello, a guy on another site told me about tapeheads and I thought I'd give it a try. I track on a Tascam 38 and have used RMG and ATR In the begining I had lots of SSS problems with the RMG so I tried the ATR and really like the sound. I like that the RMG is a little cheaper but I love the quality of the ATR. I continue to buy both. *reelspin*

Des-Lab
05-01-2010, 06:10 PM
If only ATR would come out with a 1.0 mil version (i.e. 3600' length on a 10" reel and 1800' on a 7"), I'd be a very happy camper.

Alshalan
11-01-2010, 11:24 PM
Thank you for this informative thread. well done.

Macdude
02-09-2011, 09:43 AM
Just a side note as I read a number of the test comments.
A tape can not be properly evaluated if the bias is not where it is suppose to be. For those out there that have an Otari MX5050 Mk??? there is such adjustments of that type right on the front panel. Maybe, one would like to chime in with results from that. I kind of think the ATR tape is a higher grade of tape than what is suppose to be used on the X2000 1/4 track but that does not mean that the deck could not be set up for that tape if it was opened up. Using a tape too good for the machine-an opinion, is not a fault but could be a error in economics. If you want to use it, more power to you as it will not give you bad results. The RMGI tape I have adjusted a lot of machines to- even as old as a Teac A1230 does do a great job as well.
I am talking SM911 or LPR35. It is great to have the good stuff available as well. Who is going to fight over 1 or 2 dB here or there?

I completely agree with this. If the machine was not opened up and electrically/mechanically aligned before the tests, then the results aren't really showing anything. Maybe this was done, but I didn't see it mentioned. The control knob on the front is more of a fine tune, as someone mentioned. This can be a pain, but only if you record on all different brands all the time. When I started making my own tapes, I sided with one brand and calibrated for that. Now my library of tapes matches and any problems can be tracked down to a particular machine/tape, should any arise.

Plus, by aligning, you can tune it to your tastes via over-biasing or changing equalization. If the azimuth is off a hair, you'll skew the readings as well if I remember correctly. Music is one thing, but test tones bring out another story (sometimes for the worse). I was also told over the years not to take test tone measurements too critically, as in the analog world, nothing was exact (or at least, not as exact as the digital world). But that's what makes analog.. analog.

esroberto
05-11-2012, 10:15 AM
If only ATR would come out with a 1.0 mil version (i.e. 3600' length on a 10" reel and 1800' on a 7"), I'd be a very happy camper.

That'll never happen. ATR is for pro's, and pro's don't use 3600' of tape on a reel. It's gotta be durable enough to take many, many, many passes (and erase/record passes at that, in the case of 1" and 2"), not provide convenience for those of us who like to record hours and hours of music on mix tapes. Personally, I'm thrilled they only have one single tape formulation that's the very best it can be. I don't want another Ampex, with their 900,000 different formulations to have to research to find the best for my applications -- which simply require the best sound possible, period.

Glad to see the review, but one nit to pick -- it's Hz, not Htz. If you're going to take the time and trouble to do test reports, you really should get the nomenclature correct. It's a real distraction that mars an otherwise fine read.

Des-Lab
05-11-2012, 03:30 PM
That'll never happen.

I agree. We made an attempt (http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=18298) to convince them to do it in light of what some NOS tape goes for these days.

Except for a little courtesy lip service and claimed prohibitive cost, they did indeed dismiss the idea.